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Mark's avatar

I remember well the "Troubles" but in 2024 this feels like a story from another planet.

In the context of the last 30 years, the possibility of Irish whites fighting British whites for "self-determination" looks to me like lunacy. Both Irish and British states are now globalists entities set to marginalize their respective native populations.

We need Irish and British nationalists to unite to fight the common foe.

whiggles's avatar

Many have already moved on from sectarian issues thankfully, and even orangemen are encouraging Irish language education in Belfast.

Evola's Sunglasses's avatar

As time goes on more and more people will talk. British Intelligence was running the IRA's internal security for years so anything is possible.

Michael McCarthy Ireland's avatar

Civil wars are always guided by foreign forces in order to divide a nation against itself, like liberal democracy. As many Irish men have done and still do, I served in the British army, as did my grandfather and father did before me, they came from Cork. I left the army in 82, I never served in NI and would have refused to if ordered, but it was well known at the time that the IRA were infiltrated by the British security services. NI was thought of as a live firing exercise. Any divisions between the indigenous ethnic groups of these Islands has been manufactured by those that seek our destruction. Our nations are being murdered, our nations are being displaced. Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of all four nations, for the sake of all nations of the world.

Aodh Rua's avatar

I'm interested that you describe NI as being seen as a live firing exercise. Do you think the British were happy enough for the conflict to keep going because it provided good training for soldiers?

Michael McCarthy Ireland's avatar

I would think that would of been an aspect of it. The good Friday agreement enabled the UK forces to be free to switch to the post 9 11 global war on terrorism. War is a racket 🕊️❤️☘️🙏

Aodh Rua's avatar

The IRA were offered a place in the devolved government of NI in 1972 at Cheyenne Walk. Hume repeatedly in the early 70's said that the IRA would need to be part of a multi-party agreement.

O'Brien's avatar

British intelligence appears to have penetrated both republican and loyalist paramilitary organisations. While the full details remain contested, a substantial body of evidence suggests that informants and agents operated at senior levels across the spectrum of armed groups.

Viewed through the lens of statecraft rather than ideology, this is not especially surprising. The primary objective of any state security apparatus is not to advance a particular political vision, but to preserve stability and protect the existing constitutional framework. By those measures, British policy in Northern Ireland can be regarded as largely successful. The violence was ultimately contained and a broadly stable political settlement emerged.

For this reason, it seems unlikely that the British state will seek to destabilise the current balance by actively questioning the constitutional position of Northern Ireland. Whatever the merits of nationalist aspirations.

Eamonn McKeown's avatar

He was a politician. They always have more than one face. I remember him leaving Glen chapel after Rick’s funeral and he was a picture of reverence and serenity for a grieving community. Then I met him abroad in an embassy and he couldn’t have been more distant. I don’t recollect him even saying a single word to me even though I was a constituent of his who did vote for him although quite reluctantly as I didn’t even want to vote in a British election. I saw the same dual personality in the local mayor who is now banging a deceased billionaire’s widow. Politicians.